Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
Dear colleagues,
I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore. Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair. Thank you.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
Dear RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee,
I, Maksym Tulyuk, a former member of ENOG programme committee, completely and unquestioningly support the idea of termination of ENOG.
In addition to what Töma Gavrichenkov wrote in his email I would like to share my experience and thoughts as the former ENOG PC member.
In my opinion, ENOG did not die at 24 February 2022 - it died in 2014 when, after Russian annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian ENOG community completely ignored ENOG 7 conference in Moscow and it was represented by two Ukrainians (who de-facto worked for Dutch and Russian companies).
Today I feel guilt and shame that I did not use my position of the member of Program Committee to turn the attention to that fact and, as a result, we have the same situation in 2022: Russian Army is attacking (again) Ukraine and RIPE NCC (again) continues organising regional meeting ENOG 19 in Moscow at 20-21 June 2022 - see the attached copy of ENOG website.
I encourage RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee be more brave that I was and terminate ENOG and here I would like to highlight the usage of the verb “terminate” not “postpone”.
P.S. Also, I encourage former and current members of ENOG Programme Committee support the idea of Töma Gavrichenkov, Alex Semenyaka and Maksym Tulyuk and publicly ask about ENOG dissolution
Yours sincerely, Maksym Tulyuk On 3 Mar 2022, 23:47 +0100, Alex Semenyaka alex.semenyaka@gmail.com, wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore. Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair. Thank you.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
-- Alex Semenyaka _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Colleagues,
Unfortunately I do not subscribe to the RIPE mail list members-discuss@ripe.net and I would appreciate if one of you who is subscribed to it forward my email there.
Thank you, Maksym ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Maksym Tulyuk maksym@tulyuk.com Date: 4 Mar 2022, 10:54 +0100 To: exec-board@ripe.net, RIPE Programme Committee pc@ripe.net Cc: discuss@enog.org, Members Discuss members-discuss@ripe.net, ENOG Programme Committee pc@enog.org Subject: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG
Dear RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee,
I, Maksym Tulyuk, a former member of ENOG programme committee, completely and unquestioningly support the idea of termination of ENOG.
In addition to what Töma Gavrichenkov wrote in his email I would like to share my experience and thoughts as the former ENOG PC member.
In my opinion, ENOG did not die at 24 February 2022 - it died in 2014 when, after Russian annexation of Crimea, Ukrainian ENOG community completely ignored ENOG 7 conference in Moscow and it was represented by two Ukrainians (who de-facto worked for Dutch and Russian companies).
Today I feel guilt and shame that I did not use my position of the member of Program Committee to turn the attention to that fact and, as a result, we have the same situation in 2022: Russian Army is attacking (again) Ukraine and RIPE NCC (again) continues organising regional meeting ENOG 19 in Moscow at 20-21 June 2022 - see the attached copy of ENOG website.
I encourage RIPE Executive board and Programme Committee be more brave that I was and terminate ENOG and here I would like to highlight the usage of the verb “terminate” not “postpone”.
P.S. Also, I encourage former and current members of ENOG Programme Committee support the idea of Töma Gavrichenkov, Alex Semenyaka and Maksym Tulyuk and publicly ask about ENOG dissolution
Yours sincerely, Maksym Tulyuk On 3 Mar 2022, 23:47 +0100, Alex Semenyaka alex.semenyaka@gmail.com, wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I agree that the united community with horizontal links does not exist anymore. Thus, let me step down from the position of the ENOG PC Vice-Chair. Thank you.
On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 12:44 AM Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
-- Alex Semenyaka _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
От: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Кому: "T?ma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Копия: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Дата: 04.03.2022 16:33 Тема: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Отправитель: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in T?ma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, T?ma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- T?ma
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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On 4 Mar 2022, at 15:50, Nadezhda O. Kupina NOKupina@akado-telecom.ru wrote:
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
Аполитичность связистов с точки зрения России.
От: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Кому: "Töma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Копия: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Дата: 04.03.2022 16:33 Тема: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Отправитель: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
Добрый день.
Мы, как все нормальные люди, должны сказать "НЕТ ВОЙНЕ!" Россия напала на Украину. Бомбит и разрушает мирные города. Люди сидят в бомбоубежищах. Вы предлагаете оказывать услуги связи там?
Для начала заберите Ваши войска с нашей территории, включая Ваш груз 200.
"Русский военный корабль - иди н#$ !" (c)
Слава Украине.
04.03.2022 15:50, Nadezhda O. Kupina пишет:
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
От: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Кому: "Töma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Копия: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Дата: 04.03.2022 16:33 Тема: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Отправитель: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
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Your apoliticality has already led to a full-scale war.
Russian artillery shells the residential areas of Kharkiv, Kyiv, Boyarka, Irpen, Bucha, Chernigov, Sumy and many others.
Russian soldiers rape Ukrainian women.
Thank you, we are full of apoliticality and are ready to talk to you only when you find the courage to confront your war criminals. Until then, you are partners in war crimes.
On 04.03.2022 15:50, Nadezhda O. Kupina wrote:
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
От: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Кому: "Töma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Копия: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Дата: 04.03.2022 16:33 Тема: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Отправитель: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
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Уважаемые коллеги, Надежда. Моя родина - Россия, я вырос в 15 киломитрив вид кордону, уси ридни за мени. Але життя важче ниж здается. Моя точка зрения на всю ситуация максимально нейтральная, а небольшой опыт позволяет посадить вас за стол, на котором лежит яблоко. Яблоко окрашено с одной стороны в желтый цвет, а с другой - в красный, вы сидите по разные стороны стола и видите разные цвета. И каждый, справедливо, с пеной у рта, доказывает что цвет яблока , для одного - красный, для другого - желтый. Истина начинается там, где появляется желание понять почему человека так яро отстаивает свою позицию. Попросить его встать, сесть на его стул и посмотреть как он видит ситуацию. Если в случае с яблоком, в таком простом примере, могут посраться 2 человека, о чем мы говорим...
На мои налоги отправили солдат, которые сейчас окружили Мариуполь, и, надеюсь, не убьют не безразличного мне там человека, только потому, что там ее дом. Аполитичность закончилась там, где бездействие с каждой минутой приводит к смертям. Вся ситуация еще до войны привела к тому, что в этом году из 6 попыток прилететь в Киев для свиданий с близкими мне людьми пограничники дважды даже не пустили в страну, депортировав как какого-то опасного человека, боясь нас (граждан России) даже допускать на территорию, опасаясь того, что произошло этой зимой. И теперь вы более ясно понимаете почему.
Добавьте ко всему наличие знакомых в других городах, Харьков, Киев, Ужгород, Полтава, и самое лучше, что сейчас может произойти - если вы забудете про аполитичность и осознаете, что на ваши налоги, уже сегодня, могу убить в том числе близких мне людей, и ситуации из просто не аполитичной, превратится в личную, где по одну сторону стоит кровавое зло и убийства, совершенные под прикрытием аполитичности и "моя хата скраю". Подойдите к окну, посмотрите вдаль, а теперь представьте что вы та девушка, которая сейчас в Мариуполе, уже сутки не выходящая на связь, третий день без воды тепла электричества мобильной связи, и разряженный телефон будет самым лучшим из того, что можно представить. Мы обеспечиваем связь, от нас зависит многое, и мы будем делать это так долго, как это возможно. Но когда вы вздумаете снова вспомнить про аполитичность, вспомните, что стоите у окна, и возможно это последнее, что вы видите.
Продолжаем работать, не забывая делать все, чтобы прекратить кровопролитие.
On Fri, 4 Mar 2022 at 05:51, Nadezhda O. Kupina NOKupina@akado-telecom.ru wrote:
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
От: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Кому: "Töma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Копия: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Дата: 04.03.2022 16:33 Тема: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Отправитель: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Ms.Nadezhda Kupina,
On 2022-03-04, at 15:52, Nadezhda O. Kupina NOKupina@akado-telecom.ru wrote:
Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
Today, world wide telecommunications leader Cogent has complety canceled, terminated, dissolved, and disconnected all circuits, links, and operator premises equipment serving their customers in Russian Federation.
There was less than 2 days notice of the fact.
The law of its jurisdiction, United States, did not compel it to this drastic action, as no sanctions has been levied against telecom operators in Russia yet (ok, perhaps couple of State Duma parliamentary members owns an ISP - although I highly doubt that.)
During the undeclared war, Ukrainian National railway operator, Ukrzaliznytsya, has terminated all interconnect points with RZhD, Russian railways. They did so to inhibit a flow of weapons and military, and carry neither insignia nor flags.
I would like to remind our community of our meeting in Minsk. Would you go there now? There are missiles shot, southward from it.
The purpose of ENOG was the same of my favorite company, Nokia, whose slogan was “connecting people.” We cannot do it until the bloodshed stops, the criminal regime of Russia goes to trial in The Hague, and the complicit in war crime population of Russia goes through the process of deputinization. [1]
I am using this opportunity to resign from ENOG PC. I can be last member that went to most meetings, and was still hoping for good. Until now. I have ENOG logos on my credit cards.
The RIPE community can definitely decide to resurrect the ENOG, perhaps in this way: to join some countries with SEE, and some with MENOG. I would not join until this war ends.
Уважаемая Надежда,
У каждого оператора связи есть клиенты и сотрудники.
Вначале про клиентов: если Вы как оператор связи предоставляете услуги российским государственным органам, а особенно российской армии, т.е. Вы помогаете агрессору вести военные действия против Украины.
Про сотрудников: я хорошо помню прекрасные ENOGи в Питере и Киеве в 2013 году, где все действительно были аполитичными сотрудниками операторов связи, а том случился КрымНаш (т.е. Оккупация Крыма Россией в феврале 2014) и на ENOG в Москве в мае 2014 года я услышал комментарии: “Посмотри как Наши мочат Укропов” (это было про российских наемников убивавших украинских солдат) и, потом, “Эти чечены не умеют воевать! Вот, если бы Мы Нашу Армию ввели” (это последовало после того, как украинская армия сожгла 3 грузовика с чеченскими наемниками). Как видите, желания “аполитичных” сотрудников воплотились в жизнь.
Но это было мое мнение. А теперь есть закон ЕС по которому или ISP выключает российскую пропаганду, или … https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L:2022:065:FULL&a... 1. It shall be prohibited for operators to broadcast, or to enable, facilitate or otherwise contribute to broadcast, any content by the legal persons, entities or bodies listed in Annex IX, including through transmission or distribution by any means such as cable, satellite, IP-TV, internet service providers, internet video-sharing platforms or applications, whether new or pre-installed. ANNEX IX LIST OF LEGAL PERSONS, ENTITIES OR BODIES REFERRED TO IN ARTICLE 4g RT – Russia Today English RT – Russia Today UK RT – Russia Today Germany RT – Russia Today France RT – Russia Today Spanish Sputnik’.
Вам и всем другим Нужно Выбрать, где Вы дальше будете работать - время аполитичности закончилось.
Максим On 4 Mar 2022, 14:51 +0100, Nadezhda O. Kupina NOKupina@akado-telecom.ru, wrote: Добрый день! Мы, как операторы связи, должны быть аполитичны! Не надо смешивать политику и оказание услуг связи пользователям.
Îò: "Taras Heichenko" tasic@academ.kiev.ua Êîìó: "Töma Gavrichenkov" ximaera@gmail.com Êîïèÿ: "RIPE Programme Committee" pc@ripe.net, "ENOG Programme Committee" pc@enog.org, discuss@enog.org, exec-board@ripe.net, "Members Discuss" members-discuss@ripe.net Äàòà: 04.03.2022 16:33 Òåìà: Re: [ENOG discuss] A request to terminate ENOG Îòïðàâèòåëü: "discuss" discuss-bounces@enog.org
Hi all,
As a member of ENOG PC I completely support the position expressed in Töma's letter and fully agree with ENOG dissolve.
On 4 Mar 2022, at 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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As a former member of ENOG PC I support this proposal.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 11:44 PM Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
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Dear all,
I hope this email finds you and your loved ones safe.
We at the RIPE NCC have been following the discussions on the thread. Allow me to share with you our thoughts and our suggested plan moving forward.
The RIPE NCC organises a number of meetings all over its service region. At these meetings, attendees share insights into technical, administrative and policy issues that impact members and industry organisations in a particular geographical region. They are also an opportunity for us to gain valuable feedback about our services and activities.
In recent years it has become clear that national / local engagements allow for better understanding and support of the local needs. This led the RIPE NCC to increase the number of events such as the Internet Measurement Days, RIPE NCC Days, as well as national member lunches and Open Houses.
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) / RIPE NCC Regional Meetings were established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in the Eurasian region.
There have been some discussions over the last few years on how to hand over the organisation of the ENOG meeting back to the community. At the last ENOG meeting (ENOG 18), the Program committee organised a Bird of a Feather (BoF) session on the ENOG charter, soliciting feedback from the community on how the future meeting organisation should look, however there was little agreement in terms of a clear path for the ENOG meeting
Here are my thoughts moving forward.
The RIPE NCC will postone organising the upcoming ENOG 19 / RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, originally planned to be held 20-21 June 2022, Moscow, Russia.
Needless to say, the question of whether the ENOG meetings carry on and in what form is ultimately a matter for the community to decide and, when that time comes, the RIPE NCC will be happy to sponsor the event as it does for other community-led Network Operator Groups in the service region.
The RIPE NCC will reallocate the funds budgeted for holding the ENOG event towards organising more local engagements throughout the Eurasian region.
I would imagine that the peering and interconnection landscape in the region will see major changes in the coming months. The RIPE NCC will be able to support the local communities with workshops, presentations and measurements customised to the development needs of the local technical communities.
The RIPE NCC will increase its technical capabilities throughout the Eurasian region to support the local communities with their needs.
We currently have staff based in Armenia, Russia and Ukraine and will be looking over the next few months to add more technical experts to support the additional plans of engagement with the community.
For more information on our External Engagement and Community plans, please refer to our Activity Plan and Budget 2022: https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-773.pdf https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-773.pdf We will be publishing a RIPE Labs article soon with more details on our community development key focus areas throughout the RIPE NCC service region and as always we look to our community for feedback on how to best serve their development and engagement needs.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
On 4 Mar 2022, at 02:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
PC mailing list PC@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc
On 10 Mar 2022, at 17:47, Hisham Ibrahim hmi@ripe.net wrote:
Peace.
Dear all,
I hope this email finds you and your loved ones safe.
We at the RIPE NCC have been following the discussions on the thread. Allow me to share with you our thoughts and our suggested plan moving forward.
• The RIPE NCC organises a number of meetings all over its service region. At these meetings, attendees share insights into technical, administrative and policy issues that impact members and industry organisations in a particular geographical region. They are also an opportunity for us to gain valuable feedback about our services and activities.
In recent years it has become clear that national / local engagements allow for better understanding and support of the local needs. This led the RIPE NCC to increase the number of events such as the Internet Measurement Days, RIPE NCC Days, as well as national member lunches and Open Houses.
• ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) / RIPE NCC Regional Meetings were established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in the Eurasian region.
There have been some discussions over the last few years on how to hand over the organisation of the ENOG meeting back to the community. At the last ENOG meeting (ENOG 18), the Program committee organised a Bird of a Feather (BoF) session on the ENOG charter, soliciting feedback from the community on how the future meeting organisation should look, however there was little agreement in terms of a clear path for the ENOG meeting
Here are my thoughts moving forward.
• The RIPE NCC will postone organising the upcoming ENOG 19 / RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, originally planned to be held 20-21 June 2022, Moscow, Russia.
Needless to say, the question of whether the ENOG meetings carry on and in what form is ultimately a matter for the community to decide and, when that time comes, the RIPE NCC will be happy to sponsor the event as it does for other community-led Network Operator Groups in the service region.
The population of Russia is greater than the overall population of other countries from the ENOG region. What way of voting do you propose?
• The RIPE NCC will reallocate the funds budgeted for holding the ENOG event towards organising more local engagements throughout the Eurasian region.
Something tells me that I should not wait for the RIPE events in Ukraine soon. May I ask you where do you plan to invest money for the next events?
I would imagine that the peering and interconnection landscape in the region will see major changes in the coming months. The RIPE NCC will be able to support the local communities with workshops, presentations and measurements customised to the development needs of the local technical communities.
• The RIPE NCC will increase its technical capabilities throughout the Eurasian region to support the local communities with their needs.
We currently have staff based in Armenia, Russia and Ukraine and will be looking over the next few months to add more technical experts to support the additional plans of engagement with the community.
For more information on our External Engagement and Community plans, please refer to our Activity Plan and Budget 2022: https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-773.pdf
We will be publishing a RIPE Labs article soon with more details on our community development key focus areas throughout the RIPE NCC service region and as always we look to our community for feedback on how to best serve their development and engagement needs.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
On 4 Mar 2022, at 02:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
PC mailing list PC@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc
PC mailing list PC@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua
On 10 Mar 2022, at 20:22, Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua wrote:
On 10 Mar 2022, at 17:47, Hisham Ibrahim <hmi@ripe.net mailto:hmi@ripe.net> wrote:
Peace.
Peace Taras,
• The RIPE NCC will postone organising the upcoming ENOG 19 / RIPE NCC Regional Meeting, originally planned to be held 20-21 June 2022, Moscow, Russia.
Needless to say, the question of whether the ENOG meetings carry on and in what form is ultimately a matter for the community to decide and, when that time comes, the RIPE NCC will be happy to sponsor the event as it does for other community-led Network Operator Groups in the service region.
The population of Russia is greater than the overall population of other countries from the ENOG region. What way of voting do you propose?
Taras, you know very well that a sense of community can not be faked or forced.
• The RIPE NCC will reallocate the funds budgeted for holding the ENOG event towards organising more local engagements throughout the Eurasian region.
Something tells me that I should not wait for the RIPE events in Ukraine soon. May I ask you where do you plan to invest money for the next events?
I am happy to share with you some of the things we had already started working on based on community feedback and identified local needs.
- Local community events / NOG support The RIPE NCC provides funding through sponsorship for local NOGs and sends staff to speak or attend at a wide range of local community events in our service region. To name a few from the region AM, GE and soon KZ.
If there are any local community events / NOGs that require RIPE NCC support please mail us at: event-support@ripe.net
We also have a NOG organisers list: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/nog-org And I see Alex Semenyaka added as a representative of UANOG.
- RIPE NCC Days RIPE NCC Day provide a forum for network engineers and other technical staff to share knowledge and experiences, and learn more about how they can receive support from the RIPE NCC in various avenues – including technical, policy development and training. The upcoming event is planned to be held in UZ https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/regional-meetings/ripe-ncc-days-ta...
- Internet Measurement Days: The Internet Measurement Day is a series of events organised by the RIPE NCC and ICANN promoting Internet measurement tools to local communities across the RIPE NCC service region. I would imagine these events will become more popular very soon. The last event was held virtually with the GE community. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/internet-measurement-day/internet-...
- ISOC, EuroIX and the RIPE NCC have started last year an online event called the virtual peering series - Central Asia. The Virtual Peering Series is open to all network operators, content providers, government, academic and other public institutions, as well as industry associations primarily in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan (although others with an interest in the region are also welcome). https://www.internetsociety.org/events/virtual-peering-series-central-asia/
As the world goes back to some version of normal, we are planning on kickstarting a physical peering event with community members interested in peering and interconnection in these countries.
- Open houses: The RIPE NCC Open House is a ninety-minute remote session where RIPE NCC staff, community members and industry experts can meet up and share insights, feedback and support. We already have a session that will focus on the Central Asian Internet community that will be held on the 30th of March. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-int...
As the world goes back to some version of normal, we are planning on going back to in-person national meetings like member lunches as well as technical training workshops. of course for areas that we are not be able to travel to we still offer a large range of online technical workshops through: The training webinars https://www.ripe.net/support/training/webinars and RIPE academy: https://academy.ripe.net/
As I mentioned in my previous email there will be a RIPE Labs article produced soon with more details on our community development key focus areas. However, I did want to list a few of them in this email so that the the mailing list members can begin to think of what kind of additional engagement / support they would like to see from the RIPE NCC to support their local needs.
I hope this was useful. Regards Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
I would imagine that the peering and interconnection landscape in the region will see major changes in the coming months. The RIPE NCC will be able to support the local communities with workshops, presentations and measurements customised to the development needs of the local technical communities.
• The RIPE NCC will increase its technical capabilities throughout the Eurasian region to support the local communities with their needs.
We currently have staff based in Armenia, Russia and Ukraine and will be looking over the next few months to add more technical experts to support the additional plans of engagement with the community.
For more information on our External Engagement and Community plans, please refer to our Activity Plan and Budget 2022: https://ftp.ripe.net/ripe/docs/ripe-773.pdf
We will be publishing a RIPE Labs article soon with more details on our community development key focus areas throughout the RIPE NCC service region and as always we look to our community for feedback on how to best serve their development and engagement needs.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
On 4 Mar 2022, at 02:43, Töma Gavrichenkov ximaera@gmail.com wrote:
Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace)
As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely.
Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities.
In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time.
Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC.
Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair.
It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG.
Stay safe.
-- Töma
PC mailing list PC@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc
PC mailing list PC@enog.org mailto:PC@enog.org https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc
-- Taras Heichenko tasic@academ.kiev.ua mailto:tasic@academ.kiev.ua
participants (11)
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Alex Semenyaka -
Alexey Kireev -
Dmitry Belyavsky -
Dmitry Kohmanyuk -
Hisham Ibrahim -
Maksym Tulyuk -
Maxim A Piskunov -
Nadezhda O. Kupina -
Taras Heichenko -
Töma Gavrichenkov -
Volodymyr Litovka