Dear colleagues,
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region.
Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs.
Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3].
Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
[1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFX...
[2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
[3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/
Dear Hisham!
Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and effort to ENOG!
Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website. So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial conference aka x-cos.ru, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers.
Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of RIPE.
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim hmi@ripe.net:
Dear colleagues,
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region.
Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs.
Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3].
Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
[1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFX...
[2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
[3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list -- discuss@enog.org To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@enog.org
Dear members,
let me draw an analogy with the ITU Region C, which, after the Second World War, included the countries of People's Democracy (Eastern Europe) and the USSR. Today Region C - Eastern Europe and Northern Asia has transformed, formally exists, includes 21 countries.
It is enough to look at the map to understand that region C cannot conduct any coordinated activity - the interests of the participants are too different, this is today's reality. Most likely, the regional division of the ITU will be reformatted, and given that the ITU is a division of the UN, the reformatting will be of a global nature. The process will not be easy, but the new format will undoubtedly affect all regional players, including RIPE.
We are in the process of this reformatting, the new format itself organizes groups of participants according to their interests, it is most likely inexpedient to keep the existing ENOG. It seems that alternative conferences also do not fully reflect the interests of the participants, so it is best to cooperate within the framework of RIPE itself, without regional communities, because these communities are still to be formed in the future.
With regards,
Grigori Saghyan
On 7/4/2023 12:05 AM, Dmitry Kohmanyuk via discuss wrote:
Hisham,
As a (now former) member of ENOG PC and participant of many Internet meetings, I appreciate the clarity that we have now. This page is finally closed, and we can move on.
The regional strategy of various RIPE events have evolved over the years, and I am sure that new participation models would emerge. We now need more locality and cooperation with specific groups versus cookie-cutter events of the past (not to say it was bad - but with the growth comes variety.)
Now to what Alexander have said —
On 2023-07-03, at 20:51, Alexander Isavnin isavnin@freemoscow.university wrote:
Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website. So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial conference aka x-cos.ru http://x-cos.ru, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers.
Is this an accurate description of that event? If so, perhaps a better criteria can be utilized for choosing specific events that NCC does support.
Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of RIPE.
I can also envision a situation when specific country attempts to isolate itself from the entire world while doing everything to destroy infrastructure, economy and kill the population of other country, then fading away into non-existence after its own private army comes close to overthrowing its government.
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim hmi@ripe.net:
Dear colleagues, ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region. Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1]. These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion. In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade. The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs. Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine. We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3]. Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region. Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC [1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFXVRDOVI764J2OTUSMHODXHYQT3/ [2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2 [3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list -- discuss@enog.org To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@enog.org
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Hi, all!
I would like to believe that this "freeze" in RIPE NCC' activities in Russia is connected just with formal issues. And I want to believe that RIPE NCC will try to unite its members (and members of RIPE community) in different ways. BTW, as a co-host of linkmeup[1], I'm ready to provide slots in our podcast and our off-line meetup in Moscow[2] to discuss any technical topics relevant for ENOG meetings.
[1] - https://t.me/linkmeup_podcast [2] - https://meetup.linkmeup.ru/
пн, 3 июл. 2023 г. в 20:51, Alexander Isavnin <isavnin@freemoscow.university
:
Dear Hisham!
Thank you for the kind words to the ones, who contributed their time and effort to ENOG!
Did i got right from your e-mail, that RIPE NCC is going to abandon it’s activities in Russia? No Internet Measurement Days or RIPE NCC days seen in forseeable meeting plans on the website. So called Baykal NOG you’ve mentioned is the sales-oriented commercial conference aka x-cos.ru, previously sponsored by SORM surviellance equipment producers.
Abandoning technical community in one country (even insistently requested by some persons from other) could lead to abandoning in other countries, and then fading role of the whole technical community and sunsetting of RIPE.
Kind regards, Alexander Isavnin
Пн, 3 июля 2023 г. в 16:05, Hisham Ibrahim hmi@ripe.net:
Dear colleagues,
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region.
Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs.
Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3].
Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
[1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFX...
[2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
[3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list -- discuss@enog.org To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@enog.org
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Hi! I have only one question: When you wrought "we" - who are 'we'?
P.S. For me, now, it is looks like: ""we" is cleverest men, who decide all by himself....
Dear colleagues,
ENOG (Eurasian Network Operators' Group) was established in June 2011 as a means to bring RIPE and the RIPE NCC closer to the local communities in Eurasia and to support Internet development in the region.
Last year, we indefinitely postponed what would have been the 19th ENOG Meeting, slated to be held in Moscow. In the run up to that decision, we heard from many community members, first at a Birds of a Feather (BoF) session on the future of ENOG at ENOG 19 and subsequently during the BoF at RIPE 85 in Belgrade and on the ENOG Discuss mailing list. I then shared an email to the ENOG Discuss list, outlining the RIPE NCC’s view on the matter [1].
These dialogues highlighted the complexities involved in continuing engagement efforts through ENOG and we appreciate the community’s willingness to have difficult but much needed conversations. In light of these discussions, we believe it is time to dissolve ENOG as a RIPE NCC regional platform. It is in no one’s interest to continue to support a platform that can no longer serve its purpose or deliver meaningful outcomes. If, in the future, the community indicates that there is a constructive role for ENOG to play, we will be open to this discussion.
In practical terms, this means that we will archive the ENOG website and sunset the mailing list as of 31 July 2023, after which it will be kept as a read-only site. ENOG Meetings have already ceased to take place, and we will not plan ENOG Meetings for the foreseeable future. We thank everyone who has contributed their time and effort towards ENOG over the past decade.
The RIPE NCC remains as committed as ever to supporting the technical communities in our service region. Our focus going forward will be on more localised efforts, whether this is training, workshops, providing staff to speak at events or supporting NOGs.
Since our decision to postpone ENOG 19, we have also hosted our first Central Asia Peering and Interconnection Forum meeting in Kazakhstan last year, and the second of these events will take place in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 19-20 September 2023 [2]. We will continue to host smaller events such as RIPE NCC Days and Internet Measurement Days (IMD) in the region that used to be covered by ENOG events, such as the IMD Kyrgyzstan which took place recently. We’ve supported other events including the KZ NOG, Baykal NOG, the Georgia NOG, the Kyrgyzstan IT Forum and the Central Asia, Armenia, Georgia and Moldova Internet Governance Forums (IGFs). We continue to engage with the Ukrainian Internet community through various online initiatives and our staff in Ukraine.
We encourage you to take a look at NOGs and other activities taking place within the region [3].
Please reach out to us if you have thoughts on how we can better support the technical communities in your region.
Regards, Hisham Ibrahim Chief Community Officer RIPE NCC
[1] A request to terminate ENOG: https://enog-apps-2.ripe.net/hyperkitty/list/discuss@enog.org/thread/3AJSUFX...
[2] CAPIF 2: Tashkent: https://www.ripe.net/capif-2
[3] Network Operator Groups: https://labs.ripe.net/nogs/ _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list -- discuss@enog.org To unsubscribe send an email to discuss-leave@enog.org
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Alexander Isavnin -
Dmitry Kohmanyuk -
Grigori Saghyan -
Hisham Ibrahim -
sdy＠a-n-t.ru -
Алексей Учакин