Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru:
Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a
government that is either total or partial:
For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC
will allocate no resources to the government of the country
This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that
have direct provable relationships with said government.
In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist
or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above.
All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the
referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in
a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned
entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall
occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Dmitry,
At one point your statement is not enough, you need to explain details.
— Best, Sergey
On 12 Apr 2017, at 00:31, Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Dmitry,
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
Thanks.
On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Volodymyr,
With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates human rights. There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever else wise…
Best regards, Victor Belov
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua@gmail.com wrote:
Dmitry,
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/ policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Victor,
On 4/12/17 10:10 AM, Victor Belov wrote:
With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates human rights. There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever else wise…
Let's talk in simpler way - if government, for any reasons, will shutdown Internet in their country, then it means these guys don't need it and, thus, don't need any resources. Of course, RIR isn't right place to make a decision about human rights violation, but RIR has more precise and technical metrics to decide whether to continue or discontinue operations.
The only I'd suggest to proposal is to support penalties during proposed time OR government's lifetime, i.e. if government changed and then abolished shutdown, there is no need to continue sanctions.
Best regards, Victor Belov
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <doka.ua@gmail.com mailto:doka.ua@gmail.com> wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran@tigran.am> <mailto:tigran@tigran.am> wrote: Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств. вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk@burkov.aha.ru> <mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru>: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже) On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Всем привет! В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное. https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months. 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years. Ждем реакции сообщества. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>
Vlad - you have a great opportunity to go to ALAC in ICANN which is looks like a more proper place to discuss these issues.
Best regards,
Dima
On 4/12/17 10:21 AM, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
Victor,
On 4/12/17 10:10 AM, Victor Belov wrote:
With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates human rights. There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever else wise…
Let's talk in simpler way - if government, for any reasons, will shutdown Internet in their country, then it means these guys don't need it and, thus, don't need any resources. Of course, RIR isn't right place to make a decision about human rights violation, but RIR has more precise and technical metrics to decide whether to continue or discontinue operations.
The only I'd suggest to proposal is to support penalties during proposed time OR government's lifetime, i.e. if government changed and then abolished shutdown, there is no need to continue sanctions.
Best regards, Victor Belov
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <doka.ua@gmail.com mailto:doka.ua@gmail.com> wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran@tigran.am> <mailto:tigran@tigran.am> wrote: Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств. вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk@burkov.aha.ru> <mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru>: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже) On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Всем привет! В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное. https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months. 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years. Ждем реакции сообщества. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
Victor,
if you read the proposal carefully - there is nothing about a human rights. It is about limiting the Internet access only.
If some goverment limit the Internet - Internet will limit that goverment. Seems legit.
On 12.04.17 10:10, Victor Belov wrote:
Volodymyr,
With all my support for this idea (penalties for those trying to disturb Internet operations for whatever reasons, governments or not) I don’t think RIRs are the right entity to make decisions if somebody violates human rights. There are plenty of entities in the world in charge of making such decisions already, efficient or not. So if we really want to add something of that kind to RIR rules, it should be straight forward technical wise, not political wise or human rights wise, or whatever else wise…
Best regards, Victor Belov
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka <doka.ua@gmail.com mailto:doka.ua@gmail.com> wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan <tigran@tigran.am> <mailto:tigran@tigran.am> wrote: Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств. вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk@burkov.aha.ru> <mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru>: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже) On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:Всем привет! В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное. https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 <https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01> 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months. 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years. Ждем реакции сообщества. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss> _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>_______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss <https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss>
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Yura,
I've used term "human rights violation" as an example of one from plenty of possible attacks on Internet. Of course, RIR required to operate on measurable metrics
BUT my message is that RIR can't be aside of politics if politics affects Internet.
On 4/12/17 10:35 AM, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Re: [ENOG discuss] Anti-Shutdown-01 Volodya,
Only about approach and principals. To my mind, the profesional activity of RIR it's something other than activity against violation human rights And if someone from the human rights fighters will wants to tell us what to do and how to react to the some facts? Or I didn't understood somethings?
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:04:19 AM, you wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attacks*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am mailto:tigran@tigran.amwrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
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Well, "human rights violation" is far from being the same tan some kind of attacks on Internet. An attack on Internet can or can not violate human rights, but the attack should be dealt with by itself. I don't think it's bad idea to make penalties from Internet regulating bodies like RIRs on governments that attack Internet.
ср, 12 Апр 2017 г., 10:40 Volodymyr Litovka doka.ua@gmail.com:
Yura,
I've used term "human rights violation" as an example of one from plenty of possible attacks on Internet. Of course, RIR required to operate on measurable metrics
BUT my message is that RIR can't be aside of politics if politics affects Internet.
On 4/12/17 10:35 AM, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Volodya,
Only about approach and principals. To my mind, the profesional activity of RIR it's something other than activity against violation human rights And if someone from the human rights fighters will wants to tell us what to do and how to react to the some facts? Or I didn't understood somethings?
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:04:19 AM, you wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attacks*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
*-- З повагою, Ю. Каргаполов *mailto:yvk@uanic.net yvk@uanic.net
-- Volodymyr Litovka "Vision without Execution is Hallucination." -- Thomas Edison
hey, where did you get human rights there???
On 12.04.17 10:35, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
Volodya,
Only about approach and principals. To my mind, the profesional activity of RIR it's something other than activity against violation human rights And if someone from the human rights fighters will wants to tell us what to do and how to react to the some facts? Or I didn't understood somethings?
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:04:19 AM, you wrote:
Dmitry, your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this. But this proposal is about how to deal with *attacks*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen. In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation. Thanks. On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am mailto:tigran@tigran.amwrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org mailto:discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org mailto:discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org mailto:discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Volodymyr Litovka writes:
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
I haven't seen any proposal in the RIPE community which asks for a change of the current RIPE policy. Such a proposal is probably best entertainined in the Cooperation working group
It wll be interesting what the AFRINIC folks will come up. If you read the proposal, it seems that it wants to punish the governments which "shutsdown the internet" by not not giving them resources. That does not necessarily mean the the LIRS are been blocked.
The proposal seems very fluffy and and the consequences of all this handwaving hasn't been thought through.
I'm going to order some more popcorn :-).
jaap
Jaap,
it seems that someone can't understand that first day when RIRs will take any public policy action of
such type - it will be the last day of their existence.
Dima
On 4/12/17 10:45 AM, Jaap Akkerhuis wrote:
Volodymyr Litovka writes:
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
I haven't seen any proposal in the RIPE community which asks for a change of the current RIPE policy. Such a proposal is probably best entertainined in the Cooperation working group
It wll be interesting what the AFRINIC folks will come up. If you read the proposal, it seems that it wants to punish the governments which "shutsdown the internet" by not not giving them resources. That does not necessarily mean the the LIRS are been blocked.
The proposal seems very fluffy and and the consequences of all this handwaving hasn't been thought through.
I'm going to order some more popcorn :-).
jaap
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Please , reread Article of Assotiation - we are not in operator's bussiness - no more comments.
Before write a word - please, think do not harm.
Sincerely
Dima
On 4/12/17 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka wrote:
Dmitry,
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with *attack**s*. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
Thanks.
On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Nice discussion folks. I would also like to recall RIPE position on allocating internet resources to "Donetsk republic" or to "Russian-Crimean ISPs" - also purely technical decision, not political.
It is true that RIRs are not tasked with human rights. It is also true that removing resources from allocation based on government actions would penalize ISPs in the country and not the government - and most likely smaller ISPs, as larger ones (multi-national) can just go ahead and reallocate to their branch in a "good" country. So result would be to make people in affected country to have less choice.
Also, removing resources from RIR database does not make them unused. Any ISP can continue to announce prefixes affected and most likely its peers would continue to accept them. As we are now in last /8 phase worldwide (subject to local rules) it means that taking away large block from ISPs, even temporarily would mean cutting them off from future allocations of, say, /16 they need.
Compare with recent result of Venezuela educational institution unable to pay their RIR fees for addresses they used - they weren't reallocated, but rather "special case" was made and ultimately they paid back.
Giving RIRs effective power to penalize governments for humanitarian abuses would force them to become political actors. As typical RIR doesn't have an army or a navy it's hard to defend itself as political power ultimately rests on ability to kill at will and en masse, and take over land (I am stretching a bit? See: West Sahara. Also: Sinai peninsula.)
Government abuses should be treated same as hurricanes and earthquakes: force majeure. It's not fault of people who suffer.
And what would be the end result of forcefully de-allocating addresses?
In case of regular allocation policy, it would result in them lost to new applicants. In case of last-/8 policy, it would be useless (number of active LIRs in AfriNIC is small to give everybody their /22 and more.)
This being said, I would support taking back resources for non-use (reclaiming "dark internet".) It's very hard to quantify and measure (how do you know that IP space isn't used anyway?); and that's not done.
On 12 квіт. 2017 р., at 14:28, Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru wrote:
Please , reread Article of Assotiation - we are not in operator's bussiness - no more comments.
Before write a word - please, think do not harm.
Sincerely Dima
On 4/12/17 10:04 AM, Volodymyr Litovka wrote: Dmitry,
your position on this topic is clear. Since government of Russia, actually, is closest to such "shutdown" scenario, you will not support sanctions for this.
But this proposal is about how to deal with attacks. There are, actually, three choices: ignore, be deeply concerned and penalize. Last years from real world's life shown what happen if 1st and 2nd options were chosen.
In the case we're discussing now, if RIRs think that somebody violates human rights (even if local government don't think so) or attacks Internet in any other way, RIRs need to actively react on this. Actually, we all need to defend this territory as much as we can and there is no place for inactivity and passive observation.
Thanks.
On 4/12/17 1:31 AM, Dmitry Burkov wrote: We need to stay absolutely neutral and leave politics to others
On 4/11/17 10:47 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: Один из авторов прокомментировал так: This proposal opens a very interesting debate about the neutrality stance in the face of what I consider human rights abuses. Should the RIR's stand neutral while it happens, or should they stand and fight for the rights of the users and the members.
On 11 Apr 2017, at 21:30, Tigran Zakoyan tigran@tigran.am wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov dburk@burkov.aha.ru: Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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сами понимает - что написали?
On 4/11/17 10:30 PM, Tigran Zakoyan wrote:
Вообще-то, это не против стран и даже не против государств, это против конкретных правительств.
вт, 11 Апр 2017 г., 22:20 Dmitry Burkov <dburk@burkov.aha.ru mailto:dburk@burkov.aha.ru>:
Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже) On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote: > Всем привет! > > В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное. > > https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2061-anti-shutdown-01 > > 13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: > For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country > This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. > In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. > All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months. > > 13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned > entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years. > > Ждем реакции сообщества. > > > > -- > Kind regards, > Sergey Myasoedov > > _______________________________________________ > discuss mailing list > discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> > https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss _______________________________________________ discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org <mailto:discuss@enog.org> https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Подписывать контракты с "юридическими лицами" "ДНР" и принимать от них деньги, как это делает RIPE NCC, несмотря на то, что это - уголовное преступление по законам тех же Нидерландов - вот это реальный мейнстрим, да?
Зато - "нейтральность" и никаких санкций против "стран"!
On 11.04.17 22:13, Dmitry Burkov wrote:
Группа сумасшедших решила вводить санкции против стран - good luck - очень плохая идея и то - что
я не принимаю - провокация в стиле попа Гапона ( это не к Сереже)
On 4/11/17 10:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Afrinic распоряжается ресурсом, предоставленным другой организацией. У него есть карт-бланш? Григорий Сагиян. On 4/11/2017 11:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Я могу представить, как NRO сейчас бурлит. :)
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:06:29 AM, you wrote:
GS> Afrinic распоряжается ресурсом, предоставленным другой организацией. У GS> него есть карт-бланш? GS> Григорий Сагиян. GS> On 4/11/2017 11:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
But from other hand, we - community - always told about necessity taking into account the diversity for regions including very specific circumstances, so, that are these special ones. Nice result? I can understand guys from Africa region, but I very doubt on correct such way and think that is emotions no professional approach.
По русски это можно описать одним словом :)
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 11:43:02 AM, you wrote:
Я могу представить, как NRO сейчас бурлит. :)
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:06:29 AM, you wrote:
GS>> Afrinic распоряжается ресурсом, предоставленным другой организацией. У GS>> него есть карт-бланш? GS>> Григорий Сагиян. GS>> On 4/11/2017 11:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Юра - съездить к ним разок - да просто подпишись на rpd - всё поймёшь - проблемы в нашем регионе - детский лепет для будущего мира...
On 4/12/17 12:05 PM, Yuriy Kargapolov wrote:
But from other hand, we - community - always told about necessity taking into account the diversity for regions including very specific circumstances, so, that are these special ones. Nice result? I can understand guys from Africa region, but I very doubt on correct such way and think that is emotions no professional approach.
По русски это можно описать одним словом :)
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 11:43:02 AM, you wrote:
Я могу представить, как NRO сейчас бурлит. :)
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
Wednesday, April 12, 2017, 10:06:29 AM, you wrote:
GS>> Afrinic распоряжается ресурсом, предоставленным другой организацией. У GS>> него есть карт-бланш? GS>> Григорий Сагиян. GS>> On 4/11/2017 11:00 PM, Sergey Myasoedov wrote:
Всем привет!
В AfriNIC сегодня внесли предложение по изменению правил. Необычное.
https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/206...
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of a government that is either total or partial: For a period of 12 months following the end of the shutdown – AFRINIC will allocate no resources to the government of the country This also applies to all government owned entities and entities that have direct provable relationships with said government. In the event of a transfer policy existing, AFRINIC shall not assist or participate in any transfers to any of the entities above. All sub-allocations of space within said country involving the referred to entities shall equally cease for a period of 12 months.
13.2 In the event of a government performing 3 or more such shutdowns in a period of 10 years – all resources to the aforementioned entities shall be revoked and no allocations to said entities shall occur for a period of 5 years.
Ждем реакции сообщества.
-- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
discuss mailing list discuss@enog.org https://www.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Dmitry Burkov -
Dmitry Burkov -
Dmitry Kohmanyuk -
Grigori Saghyan -
Jaap Akkerhuis -
Max Tulyev -
Sergey Myasoedov -
Tigran Zakoyan -
Victor Belov -
Volodymyr Litovka -
Yuriy Kargapolov