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Подключайтесь к двум мероприятиям об интернете в Центральной Азии / Join Two Events on the Internet in Central Asia

by Vahan Hovsepyan

*English below* Уважаемые коллеги, Мы организуем два виртуальных мероприятия для ИТ-специалистов в Центральной Азии-оба бесплатные и с открытой возможностью для участия. Синхронный перевод с английского на русский и обратно будет обеспечен на обоих мероприятиях. --------------------------------------------- RIPE NCC Open House: Интернет в Центральной Азии Среда, 30 марта | 08:00 - 09:30 UTC --------------------------------------------- Это мероприятие организуется для наших членов и других партнеров, вовлеченных в экосистему Интернета в Центральной Азии. В дополнение к нашим обычным тематикам наши коллеги из 8-го Университета Парижа представят свое исследование по визуализации и измерению интернет ландшафта Центральной Азии. https://www.ripe.net/participate/meetings/open-house/ripe-ncc-open-house-in… --------------------------------------------- Серия Виртуальных Пирингов-Центральная Азиа #5 Вторник, 5 апреля | 09:00-10:30 UTC --------------------------------------------- Пятое мероприятие Серии Виртуальных Пирингов посвящено недавним глобальным событиям и о том, как они повлияли на Интернет в Центральной Азии? Встреча даст местным операторам и международным экспертам возможность изучить этот вопрос и найти решения. Не имеющие выхода к морю страны Центральной Азии имеют ограниченные возможности для подключения к Интернету. Многие пользовались транзитными линками через Россию и полагались на российские услуги. Недавний конфликт вызывает обеспокоенность относительно его воздействия на их интернет-сервисы странм Центральной Азии. Это мероприятие будет посвящено обсуждению влияния этих событий на Интернет в странах Центральной Азии и тому, что можно сделать для повышения его устойчивости. Участники смогут обсудить наличие альтернативных волоконно-оптических путей и технические, финансовые и нормативные барьеры для их использования. Сейчас особенно важно, чтобы местные операторы активно сотрудничали в вопросе пиринга, для обеспечения наилучшей связности в стране и регионе. https://www.internetsociety.org/events/virtual-peering-series-central-asia/… Мы будем рады видеть вас на мероприятиях! Пожалуйста поделитесь приглашением с другими коллегами, которым может быть интересно участие на данных мероприятиях! С уважением, Ваан Овсепян и Гергана Петрова RIPE NCC

1 year, 6 months

CENOG instead of ENOG

by Oksana Prykhodko

Dear all, Ukraine supports ENOG dissolving with splitting it to Russian NOG and Central European NOG. Kind regards from Kyiv, Oksana Prykhodko, director of iNGO European Media Platform, Ukraine

1 year, 6 months

Rob Blokzijl Award

by Daniel Karrenberg

Good morning, I realize that many of you are very busy right now. If you have a moment, please think about this: Is there a person or a group of people who has enabled networking in your part of the world, especially in areas of conflict and between opposing sides? If so consider to nominate them for the Rob Blokzijl award this year: https://rob-blokzijl-foundation.org/2021/11/25/call-for-nominations-2022/. Daniel

1 year, 6 months

A request to terminate ENOG

by Töma Gavrichenkov

Peace, (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential future meetings indefinitely. Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other regional communities in the hope of building a better shared Internet space among the communities. In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as ENOG at the time. Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any future alignments to replace ENOG. Stay safe. -- Töma

1 year, 6 months

Re: [ENOG discuss] [members-discuss] Reply: Re: A request to terminate ENOG

by Sergey Myasoedov

(originally posted to members-discuss, not passed moderation) Hello everyone, I used to be ENOG PC chair in 2014-2018. I would like to support the ENOG PC intention to cease the ENOG. The across-the-continent russian-speaking community was never exist and it doesn't make any sense to continue any activity under this name. In the current circumstances one should not expect any successful cooperation in operators' activity and discussion between the countries. I believe that local community leaders in each country should try to change their focus of activity to RIPE community or to organise their local NOG/forum/maillist/chat/etc. If you need any support in organising your NOG - ask me, there are a lot of experience and opportunities to get a support in this. Looking back at those conferences... Well, at least we tried to make the internet better. Stay safe. -- Kind regards, Sergey Myasoedov > On 5 Mar 2022, at 05:49, Alex Semenyaka <asemenyaka(a)ripe.net> wrote: > > Hi there, > > Nobody here is talking of excluding Russia from RIPE, you get it all wrong. > > We are discussing the regional ENOG community which united Russian, Ukrainian, Belorussian etc operators on the horizontal level. > Russia is still the part of the RIPE community. > Operators continue working. > Interaction through the RIPE mechanisms remains. > > The only thing which disappeared - the friendship. Something you cannot force to exist. > Thus, probably it is time to divide ENOG to, say, UANOG and RUNOG or something like.

1 year, 6 months

Re: [ENOG discuss] [ENOG PC] [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

by Taras Heichenko

> On 5 Mar 2022, at 01:05, Lee Gibbins <lee(a)4on.co.uk> wrote: > > This is a discussion that should not be happening. > > Whatever the crazy leader of Russia is doing, it should have no influence over our internet registries or any groups which are purposed to discuss what is a completely independent community. Repeat this when Putin comes to your country. > > By making this a spectacle we are only playing in tk to the Hands of the dictators > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On 4 Mar 2022, at 20:43, C A <a0044c(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> Why is this political nonsense polluting my inbox? >> >> The chair stepped down. Organise a new chair. >> >> If the community doesnt exist it will die on it's own through lack of participation. >> >> Stop with the cancel culture shenanigains. >> >> On Fri, 4 Mar 2022, 21:37 NOC, <noc(a)medsigroup.ru> wrote: >> Спасибо, что поправили. >> ? >> >> >> С уважением, >> Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич >> >> Руководитель проектов >> Департамента развития инфраструктуры >> Блока по информационным технологиям >> АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» >> тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 >> моб.+7 (915) 119-89-58 >> >> www.medsi.ru >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ripe(a)voks.ua [mailto:ripe@voks.ua] >> Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 11:30 PM >> To: NOC <noc(a)medsigroup.ru> >> Cc: Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat(a)nuclearcat.com>; exec-board(a)ripe.net; ENOG <enog(a)ripe.net>; discuss(a)enog.org; Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee <pc(a)ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc(a)enog.org> >> Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG >> >> Если это вопрос - в конце должен стоять вопросительный знак, не так ли? >> >> -- >> www.voks.ua >> >> On Fri, Mar 04, 2022 at 08:27:22PM +0000, NOC wrote >> > Добрый вечер! >> > А мы тут политику обсуждаем или насущные технические вопросы! >> > >> > >> > С уважением, >> > Самусевич Евгений Юрьевич >> > >> > Руководитель проектов >> > Департамента развития инфраструктуры >> > Блока по информационным технологиям >> > АО «Группа компаний «МЕДСИ» >> > тел. +7 (495) 737-07-93 доб. 11011 >> > www.medsi.ru >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: members-discuss [mailto:members-discuss-bounces@ripe.net] On >> > Behalf Of Denys Fedoryshchenko >> > Sent: Friday, March 4, 2022 10:07 PM >> > To: exec-board(a)ripe.net; ENOG <enog(a)ripe.net>; discuss(a)enog.org; >> > Members Discuss <members-discuss(a)ripe.net>; RIPE Programme Committee >> > <pc(a)ripe.net>; ENOG Programme Committee <pc(a)enog.org> >> > Subject: Re: [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG >> > >> > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, there are proper, democratic voting procedures. >> > When individuals try to decide the fate of a large community, reinforcing the importance of their decision with their official position or/and personal circumstances, this is not right at all. >> > >> > Considering that many of the people are in a difficult emotional state and a state of great stress, which interfere with their ability making proper decisions, i propose to vote on this matter in the fall. >> > I hope by this time the events will have settled down. >> > >> > Peace for all, NO TO WAR. >> > >> > >> > On 2022-03-04 00:43, Töma Gavrichenkov wrote: >> > > Peace, >> > > (which is my usual greeting message, always was, and will ever be, — >> > > because the only thing I've always valued the most is peace) >> > > >> > > As the Programme Committee Chair of the Eurasian Network Operators >> > > Group (ENOG), I, hereby, with all due respect, request that the RIPE >> > > Executive Board formally dissolve ENOG and cancel all the potential >> > > future meetings indefinitely. >> > > >> > > Rationale: ENOG was founded in 2011 per the decision of the RIPE >> > > Executive Board, and it was assumed to be incorporating Ukrainian, >> > > Russian, Belarusian, Armenian, Azerbaijanian, and many other >> > > regional communities in the hope of building a better shared >> > > Internet space among the communities. >> > > >> > > In view of the recent events (if not even the prior events), the >> > > said "ENOG community" does not exist anymore, and in no way it could >> > > be clear to the Programme Committee how to arrange a programme for >> > > all the distinct and divided communities colloqually recognized as >> > > ENOG at the time. >> > > >> > > Technically, under normal circumstances, a request like this >> > > should've gone through a voting process in the PC; however, we >> > > currently have several PC members under ongoing _missile attacks_, >> > > and I therefore don't believe it is sane to arrange any vote in the PC. >> > > >> > > Additionally, at the moment, being a Russian citizen, I don't >> > > believe I should assume there's a consensus in the entire RIPE >> > > Service Region to still invest trust in me, without further due >> > > diligence, to hold any official community position in the RIPE >> > > community; therefore, I hereby step down as the PC Chair. >> > > >> > > It's now up to the members of the RIPE NCC Executive Board to decide >> > > on future actions, and I urge the RIPE NCC Executive Board to act. >> > > It is entirely up to the RIPE NCC Executive Board to consider any >> > > future alignments to replace ENOG. >> > > >> > > Stay safe. >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Töma >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > members-discuss mailing list >> > > members-discuss(a)ripe.net >> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> > > Unsubscribe: >> > > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/nuclearcat%40 >> > > nu >> > > clearcat.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > members-discuss mailing list >> > members-discuss(a)ripe.net >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> > Unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/noc%40medsigrou >> > p.ru _______________________________________________ >> > members-discuss mailing list >> > members-discuss(a)ripe.net >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> > Unsubscribe: >> > https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40voks.ua >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss(a)ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/a0044c%40gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> members-discuss mailing list >> members-discuss(a)ripe.net >> https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/listinfo/members-discuss >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.ripe.net/mailman/options/members-discuss/ripe%40safehosts.co.… > _______________________________________________ > PC mailing list > PC(a)enog.org > https://lists.enog.org/mailman/listinfo/pc -- Taras Heichenko tasic(a)academ.kiev.ua

1 year, 6 months

Important notice regarding ENOG continuity

by Anton Baskov

(English version below) Коллеги, к сожалению, последние события используются некоторыми людьми для большего разобщения общества. К подобным действиям можно отнести и призыв к внешним силам, находящимся за пределами нашего региона, с призывом ликвидировать ENOG. Много лет назад Евразийская группа сетевых операторов была организована в Москве де-факто как общественное движение. В связи с этим деятельность ENOG регулируется статьёй 9 федерального закона №82-ФЗ "Об общественных объединениях" от 19.05.1995. В соответствии со статьей 26 ликвидация общественного движения возможна лишь по решению съезда (конференции) или общего собрания. Это означает что ни RIPE, ни совет директоров RIPE NCC, ни программный комитет ENOG (не являющийся высшим руководящим органом) не могут принять решение о ликвидации ENOG. Надеюсь, что в нашу следующую встречу в Москве мы сможем обсудить все вопросы относительно формата работы Евразийской группы сетевых операторов. "Всякое царство, разделившееся само в себе, опустеет; и всякий город или дом, разделившийся сам в себе, не устоит" (Евангелие от Матфея, 12:25) С уважением, Антон Андреевич Басков Dear colleagues, unfortunately, the recent events are being used by some people to divide our community further. Such actions include pleas to "terminate" ENOG addressed to external forces residing outside of our region. The Eurasian network operators group was founded long time ago in Moscow, de facto as a civil society movement, and thus is governed by The Federal Law on Public Associations (82-FZ, Article 9). According to Article 26 of this law, a civil society movement may be terminated only by a decision of the congress (conference) or of a general meeting. This means that neither RIPE, nor Executive Board of the RIPE NCC, nor the program committee (which is not the highest governing body of the ENOG) have the authority to terminate ENOG. I hope that we will be able to discuss all issues regarding the format of work of the ENOG during our next meeting in Moscow. “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand” (Matthew 12:25). Regards, Anton Baskov P.S. Community members that organised ENOG are: – from ENOG organisation committee, that consist of Dmitry Burkov, Andrei Kolesnikov, Camilla Meidell, Julia Ovchinnikova, Paul Rendek and Andrei Robachevsky (as we had no other elections to the organising committee they still represent highest governing body of the ENOG); – from Program Committee of the RIPE NCC Regional Meeting in Moscow in 2010: Pavel Antonov, Anton Baskov, Benjamin Beskrovny, Dmitry Burkov, Camilla Meidell, Sergey Myasoedov, Pavel Khramtsov, Andrey Kolesnikov, Kurt Erik Lindquist, Julia Ovchinnikova, Sergei Polischuk, Serge Radovic, Paul Rendek, Andrei Robachevsky (Program Committee Chair) and Konstantin Tchoumatchenko. -- Anton Baskov <ab(a)antonbaskov.ru> C8CE F641 9F9F 5EBE 5067 F21D 6148 5CF5 A710 49CA

1 year, 6 months

[ENOG PC] Important notice regarding ENOG continuity

by Maksym Kozub

06.03.2022 15:30, Anton Baskov пише: > ...We had held our conferences in Baku and Yerevan, though the citizens of > the neighboring countries were unable to participate in those. > > ...Мы проводили конференции в Баку и в Ереване не смотря на то, что жители > соседних стран не могли принять участие в наших мероприятиях. I think that nowadays the idea of holding a ENOG conference is rather resembling those Olimpic Games in Berlin in 1936. Мне кажется, что идея проведения конференции ENOG напоминает в эти дни скорее об Олимпийских играх 1936 года в Берлине. -- Maksym Kozub +380(67)501-7637 Translations Interpreting Editing MK881-UANIC maksym.kozub(a)google.com.remove.this

1 year, 6 months

Can anyone confirm that this is real? Any more details?

by Bill Woodcock

"No later than March 11, all servers and domains must be transferred to the Russian zone. In addition, detailed data on the network infrastructure of the sites is being collected." https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1500553480548892679?s=20&t=zZOJSpWfCZVP… -Bill

1 year, 6 months

Re: [ENOG discuss] [members-discuss] A request to terminate ENOG

by Töma Gavrichenkov

Peace, On Fri, Mar 4, 2022, 9:07 PM Denys Fedoryshchenko <nuclearcat(a)nuclearcat.com> wrote: > If there are doubts about the viability of the existence of ENOG, > there are proper, democratic voting procedures. > To be fair, we're in the middle of a democratic procedure *right now*. It's been a while (24 hours to be precise) for the community members to stand against the proposal I've made. We typically assumed 300-500 participants during a face to face ENOG event each time, once or twice a year. I have announced that these hundreds if not thousands of people won't ever be visiting ENOG meetings in the foreseeable future. With a message extreme as that, we've got, estimating roughly, much less than 20 complaints in 24 hours. ...Got nothing else to add. Please stay safe no matter what. -- Töma >

1 year, 7 months

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